the company gets a tax credit equal to those taxes in a confidential document. all over the place, that's what's happening. our tax dollars are being diverted to corporations through gifts, through tax credits, through all sorts of different mechanisms. >> how do we get into a conversation where we can talk about these elements rather than this sort of manufactured crisis? >> here is the thing. in your book, you really draw it here, the fact that these businesses are built a lot on ignorance. i have to say, a lot of industries, including the financial industry, is built on the fact that you have a bunch of people that know their product and how to structure it so that regular folks don't know what's going on. i don't think people are ignorant. people are really, really smart. there is so much to know when you have a giant corporation coming in and basically structuring everything so they can take those bank fees that never used to be there anymore and all those other fees you outlined. with the fiscal crisis, it is a matter of understanding. when you look at the